The leaders here are Scott Testa, and Jim Karditzas. Both men lived in George Geftakys' home and were personally trained by him and Betty to be controlling, persuasive and manipulative. The letter of George Geftakys' excommunication has not been read here. He was invited to hold a weekend conference weeks after his excommunication in Fullerton. It is reported that George held a seminar here in May, 2005. Many people here, as in the other existing gatherings, are earnest and sincere, although they are deceived and unwilling to acknowledge how misguided they are in their gathering. They are ignorant of the basic facts of George's excommunication.